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1. Phil Sherry 10 min later

   @zachleat @Fyrd Some people still have to support them, meaning they’re still valid content.

   1. Zach Leatherman 15 min later

      @philsherry @Fyrd is this a firsthand account?

      1. Phil Sherry 47 min later

         @zachleat @Fyrd Just speculation based on having worked on some old clunkers in my time. Legacy systems in government departments will always need maintaining and updating, but there isn’t always a budget for rebuilding. Healthcare, financial, and so on. We should help those developers keep things as accessible and secure as possible, it’s the least the community can offer.

         1. Phil Sherry 50 min later

            @zachleat @Fyrd Think intranet more than public-facing.

      2. mr_hedgehog 18 hr later

         @zachleat @philsherry @Fyrd

         If you want firsthand account, I have to support users with IE11, Edge (before chromium) and other old versions of browsers. And I'm looking up stuff on caniuse almost everyday specifically to check if something will work in IE and old Safari

         1. Zach Leatherman 18 hr later

            @mr_hedgehog @philsherry @Fyrd appreciate it! 🙌🏻

2. Florian Schroiff 19 min later

   @zachleat caniuse.com has a little gear symbol that lets you tweak what gets displayed.

   1. Zach Leatherman 23 min later

      @flori nice! It didn’t seem to work to hide IE but I like it!

      1. Alexis Deveria 38 min later

         @zachleat @flori Yeah if you go to https://caniuse.com/ciu/settings#display and select "Filtered" all tables will default to 0.5%+ usage which will also hide IE.

         Further customization possible by adding a new browser set under https://caniuse.com/ciu/settings#browsers

         1. Zach Leatherman 43 min later

            @Fyrd @flori A ha! I had to create a new Browser Set *and* select the filtered view. Thanks!

3. Alexis Deveria 24 min later

   @zachleat No plans right now, though I know MDN BCD is thinking about it.

   From experience there'll be a number of poor souls to whom the information will still be valuable for some time to come so that's why I'm not in a hurry to do so, might switch to hiding by default first.

   1. ppk 🇪🇺 27 min later

      @Fyrd @zachleat Four years ago someone thanked me for the IE5.5 coverage on my site. She worked on some godawful SAP system where IE5.5 was still the default browser. In 2019. And no one else had any info about it.

      There are niche markets for which access to ancient browser info is important. And it doesn't hurt anyone to keep the info in place.

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      2. Alexis Deveria 32 min later

         @ppk @zachleat Wow. But yeah, that's basically my thoughts too. I do get that people would appreciate a stance that no devs should have to worry about supporting IE anymore, but it'd also be nice to keep around for the rare edge case here and there.

   2. Zach Leatherman 39 min later

      @Fyrd seems like a good compromise!

      1. Jen Simmons 3 hr later

         @zachleat @Fyrd I don’t want the data to be removed for historical reasons. Not on MDN either. Hiding it by default makes far more sense to me. Deleting it all erases the past and makes writing/researching/teaching about the web far harder.

4. Tom Walker 35 min later

   @zachleat In principle I'm in favour of not supporting IE, in practice I did it for a site a couple of years ago and quickly received "site doesn't work" support emails from... you guessed it.