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1. Dave 🧱 1 min later

   @zachleat 😥

   1. Zach Leatherman 2 min later

      @DavidDarnes Yeah. I don’t feel good about it.

      1. Dave 🧱 11 min later

         @zachleat I mean there’s some lovely independent businesses out there that sadly rely on Facebook. These things are sometimes too hard to avoid

2. Danny Blue 2 min later

   @zachleat @eleventy bummer but understandable. I can't say I wouldnt do the same if I had a popular project

3. Khalid ⚡ 5 min later

   @zachleat @eleventy 😢

4. Nicolas Hoizey 11 min later

   @zachleat so sad, but undertandable for the project.

   @eleventy

5. Pelle Wessman 13 min later

   @zachleat Twitter replaced RSS for many. If one simply broadcasts RSS style content then that reduces Twitter to a feed reader, which is a bit fun actually 😅

6. Matt Ferderer 16 min later

   @zachleat @eleventy speaking for myself I’ve just recently started trying to migrate away. I kept hoping for a great alternative to pop up. Had hope for post.news but starting to migrate here instead. After this past week I just want to delete the app. Just don’t want to lose contacts yet.

7. Jared White (ResistanceNet ✊) 18 min later

   @zachleat @eleventy Completely understandable, and yet… 😭

8. Zach Leatherman 18 min later

   @eleventy Don’t get me wrong, I’m all in on Mastodon and this is my home base moving forward—but I really pushed hard to set an example and cut-off Twitter 100% across-the-board.

   I’m learning that this was not entirely tenable for a Brand Account—especially when folks with large follower counts weren’t willing to do the same.

   1. tea 🌺 22 min later

      @zachleat @eleventy Yeah this is something I've been thinking about a lot and is really frustrating. The fomo is real, especially for tech twitter, because they're still thriving over there... Occasionally they'll complain about the deterioration of the platform but are still clinging to the audiences and klout they've built. I don't blame them If my engagement on the platform was better I might not of switched...

   2. Pelle Wessman 24 min later

      @zachleat We remove our social selves and reduce Twitter to a brand speaks to brand platform 😜

      Speaking of, experimented with another “businessy” platform like LinkedIn?

      1. Zach Leatherman 32 min later

         @voxpelli Yeah for sure, I post things on LinkedIn every now and again

         1. Pelle Wessman 35 min later

            @zachleat I’m thinking some business/work related social media might move there rather than here, which in a way would be nice, would restore the personal aspect of social media, from the early Twitter days 😅

   3. JJ 26 min later

      @zachleat @eleventy Twitter is business, Mastodon is life.

   4. tripleman, a 🇨🇦 in 🇩🇪 39 min later

      @zachleat Rome wasn't burnt down in a day, I think is the saying right? :thinkerguns:

      You do what you can. It's great that you've gotten on board with Mastodon and as birdturd continues to shoot holes in his boat (and lose a lot of money, daily), this place will become the new norm.

      1. Zach Leatherman 45 min later

         @tripleman I appreciate the support! I will sleep better when it fails 😅

   5. Sean 1 hr later

      @zachleat @eleventy It's tough for brand accounts to make the move and I think it's a sound strategy to have a presence on both sites for now. There's a very real possibility that Twitter won't exist in a few years, either die to technical or regulatory woes. Creating a mastodon presence steadily now in conjunction with a Twitter one is going to go a long way if/when they finally shut down for good

   6. Sandrine 2 hr later

      @zachleat @eleventy I think it's fine to make compromised.

      I try to not engage in hyper-consumerism but I still have an Apple laptop and a smartphone, but they're both over 6 years old.

      It could be a good strategy to actually have a brand on Twitter for generic comms and then, through convos redirecting more developed content, tips, recipes, etc... on Mastodon.

      Can be disappointed that the flood did not happen, but you can still push the waves :)

   7. Peter Wilson 2 hr later

      @zachleat I think it's certainly more complex than first expected for a few reasons: the bird site's size, limitations of federation and the need to maintain contributor relations where the contributors are.

      The Fediverse is at about 2010 Twitter at the moment but Space Karen is doing great things to move it forward. Don't be disheartened by the need for a transition period.

      1. Peter Wilson 3 hr later

         @zachleat Also, I'm terrible at social media so what do I know?!

9. Chris Ruppel 21 min later

   @zachleat you can't spread the word if you're not being heard. We can't fret over the inactions of an entire megacorp's worth of users.

10. Charles Roper 27 min later

    @zachleat @eleventy It really is disappointing. Much to think about. Like what it tells us, if anything, about the ethics, morals, and priorities of individuals and groups in our industry. And the difficulty/confusion/hassle of Mastodon/Fediverse. And the dopamine addiction to existing platforms that make alternatives seem unsatisfactory. And probably other stuff.

    1. Charles Roper 28 min later

       @zachleat @eleventy Not disappointed with your decision, I mean; disappointed, like you, with more folk not moving across.

       1. Zach Leatherman 32 min later

          @charlesroper @eleventy yeah! I understood what you meant 👍🏻

    2. Zach Leatherman 31 min later

       @charlesroper @eleventy Absolutely. So much to unpack here. It really just seems as though many folks didn’t even try to move.

       As someone that deleted their Facebook account whole-sale in 2016 and never went back, I’m feeling a little bit defeated by a career entanglement here.

11. Slasher Calavera 🔪💀 52 min later

    @zachleat @eleventy I’ll use my Eleventy voting share (that I 100% just made up!) to say — I think this is an okay thing to do, but/and I appreciate the frustration and disappointment of having to do it ❤️

    1. Zach Leatherman 1 hr later

       @ashur @eleventy As always I appreciate you Ashur! (You absolutely have voting share)

12. jimray 1 hr later

    @zachleat you could have every tweet link back to the canonical Mastodon post 😏

    1. Zach Leatherman 2 hr later

       @jimray ahaha good idea

13. Ben Brignell 1 hr later

    @zachleat @eleventy you gotta do what you gotta do

14. Nathan Smith 3 hr later

    @zachleat

    🔥 Spicy counterpoint hot take…

    😎 Maybe it's okay if the JavaScript Bro Dude™ crowd — who talk a good game about meritocracy and the marketplace of ideas, but are actually implicitly low-key okay with fascism — don't hear about Eleventy via social media channels?

    🤔 Worst-case scenario, maybe they use a React based SSR. Which they were probably gonna do anyway.

    1. Zach Leatherman 17 hr later

       @nathansmith Whew. I want to agree 100%. Unfortunately it’s a bit more complicated than that, especially as Eleventy overlaps with the JavaScript community just enough that the narrative about Eleventy on Twitter right now is either a ghost ship or worse: driven and controlled by Bro Dudes™ with less-than-friendly agendas.

       1. Nathan Smith 18 hr later

          @zachleat

          So, if I understand correctly…

          1. Lack of Eleventy updates via Twitter are leading some folks to the conclusion that it's a "dead" project?

          2. While others are spinning a story about Eleventy being stewarded by… What, a bunch of nefarious villains?

          I think that says more about the toxicity of the JS community who remained on Twitter, than you or Eleventy as a whole.

          I personally wouldn't expend the energy. Still, I can understand the desire to set the record straight.

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          2. Nathan Smith 18 hr later

             @zachleat

             From what I see on the eleven_ty Twitter account, it's not like people can't find out where to get info if they need it.

             I guess I view putting effort into trying to "control the narrative" on Twitter as just throwing good money after bad, so to speak.

             Winning an argument on Twitter, or engaging at all… Just pulls one back down into the muck.

             Yay, victory! But then I would look around and wonder: "Why did I even want to be here in the first place?"

             Anywho, that's just my 2 cents.

15. James Harris 3 hr later

    @zachleat @eleventy that just says so much about the JavaScript community if we’re willing to read between the lines here

    1. Zach Leatherman 17 hr later

       @jbwharris @eleventy YES—exactly. Between the lines is pretty prominent right now

16. Slab Bulkhead 5 hr later

    @zachleat @eleventy What harm?

    1. Zach Leatherman 17 hr later

       @slab_bulkhead @eleventy there is a perception on twitter that Eleventy development has slowed or stopped

17. alejandronanez 6 hr later

    @zachleat @eleventy ☹️

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19. benefant 16 hr later

    @zachleat @eleventy 🙁 i feel you. I would love to see more pressure on twitter by more and more people and projects leaving it. I hope you stay active here.

    1. Zach Leatherman 17 hr later

       @benefant @eleventy absolutely, as mentioned I’m just gonna syndicate the Eleventy toots over there

20. Large Heydon Collider 18 hr later

    @zachleat @eleventy understandable. I did similar with briefs.video where I started reposting to YouTube because that's... just where people watch videos.

21. Jack 18 hr later

    @zachleat @eleventy I wonder if you could post a weekly digest of what has been happening in 11ty world on mastodon. Then link to the elk.zone version of the post on Twitter. As someone who really enjoyed the UI of Twitter, elk has made the transition way easier. Not saying all the folks still on twitter need a better UI to make the switch, but maybe some do...

    Regardless, thanks for all you do.

    1. Zach Leatherman 19 hr later

       @JackHPeterson @eleventy oh, I really like the idea of using this to push Mastodon. I do wonder if there is a lower-effort method! Some folks have suggested to cross post to Twitter with a link to the canonical mastodon post on each, which I like too!

22. Thomas Michael Semmler 2 days later

    @zachleat @eleventy I’m sorry to hear that :/

23. Jessica Janiuk 🏳️‍🌈🖖🏻 2 days later

    @zachleat @eleventy I've been pretty disappointed that others didn't migrate, too. I have a colleague that's like "I'm never going to Mastodon" and it continually makes me sad.

24. Keith J Grant May 2, 2023

    @zachleat Yeah, I get this — it sucks, but for whatever reason there's a real contingent over there that just laughs at Mastodon (without really giving it a try, it seems).

    It feels like the webdev community has split in two, possibly along political lines. Those that stayed seem a more pro-capitalism and less bothered by the ramifications of a few billionaires having massive control

    1. Keith J Grant May 2, 2023

       @zachleat ah dangit, you made me blog again

       https://keithjgrant.com/posts/2023/05/the-webdev-social-schism/

       1. Zach Leatherman May 2, 2023

          @keithjgrant everything according to plan, except the bad parts (just fyi that toot was about two months old) 😅