32 replies

1. Khalid ⚡ 1 min later

   @zachleat I feel what you're saying...

   1. Zach Leatherman 4 min later

      @khalidabuhakmeh *walks out*

      1. Khalid ⚡ 22 min later

         @zachleat not exactly a measure response 😅

         1. Zach Leatherman 27 min later

            @khalidabuhakmeh I measured the number of steps to the door, does that count

            1. Khalid ⚡ 31 min later

               @zachleat perf....ect

2. Eric Portis 4 min later

   @zachleat i thought it was quite measured, actually

   1. Zach Leatherman 5 min later

      @eeeps I have feelings about this

3. Daniel Schulz 5 min later

   @zachleat Wait is this about web perf or the state of, you know *gestures everywhere*

4. Melanie 20 min later

   @zachleat I think it’s the sign that we are getting old. We just say silly mundane obvious things, over and over and over again. 🤷‍♀️

   1. Zach Leatherman 26 min later

      @a11yMel I feel this deep in my bones

      1. Melanie 2 hr later

         @zachleat my knees especially, so creaky these days 😂😭

5. Amelia Bellamy-Royds 28 min later

   @zachleat A lot of the "perceived performance" stuff feels like a sleazy way to make sure the user doesn't notice that you're chewing through their data plan & battery lifespan.

   Which might make sense, in an evil genius way, if they're using it to serve more ads or run cryptocurrency frauds in the background. But mostly it just seems to be a way to make things look snappy when you show them to executives in a boardroom to get their sign-off.

   1. Zach Leatherman 54 min later

      @AmeliaBR demo driven development! Reminds me of those blur-up image techniques to trick LCP that were popular for awhile 😅

6. Tara 🕷️ 2 hr later

   @zachleat this is why websites are as slow (or slower!) to load now as they were in the 90s, even though broadband Internet is very widespread.

   it is infuriating. i am sure they load and run very quickly on the developer's machines and on the flagship smartphones connected to high quality Wi-Fi with an excellent uplink

7. bkardell 3 hr later

   @zachleat yeah but does it *feel* like the silliest thing, or is it measurably & demonstrably the silliest thing?

   1. Zach Leatherman 17 hr later

      @bkardell brian we are enemies now

      1. bkardell 19 hr later

         @zachleat it only feels that way though

         1. Zach Leatherman 19 hr later

            @bkardell fair—we are friends again

8. Blake Watson 18 hr later

   @zachleat feels good man

   1. Zach Leatherman 18 hr later

      @bw the vibes are on point

      1. Blake Watson 18 hr later

         @zachleat Imagine if real engineers were like “yeah this bridge feels sturdy to me, ship it.”

         1. Zach Leatherman 18 hr later

            @bw I ran 100 sports cars over the bridge so it should handle semi-trucks just fine

         2. cthos 🐱 18 hr later

            @bw @zachleat "Move fast and break things" takes on a bit of a different meaning in civil engineering.

            1. Third spruce tree on the left 21 hr later

               @cthos @bw @zachleat Indeed, the Oceans Gate d00d found out that it certainly does not apply to deep sea submersibles.

         3. Third spruce tree on the left 21 hr later

            @bw @zachleat This bridge feels sturdy to me on MY machine. _Dude, you're riding a bicycle._

         4. kolya 22 hr later

            @bw @zachleat you mean like the ancient Roman bridge engineers many of whose bridges still exist today and carry car weights that were unthinkable when these bridges were designed? https://youtu.be/K0PA_hX8fVs

            1. Zach Leatherman 22 hr later

               @kolya @bw do… do you think Roman engineers built bridges by saying “it feels sturdy, ship it?”

               1. kolya 22 hr later

                  @zachleat @bw I mean they didn't have the math to calculate stress etc, so yeah, they winged it, very successfully.

                  1. Zach Leatherman 22 hr later

                     @kolya @bw it’s wild that roman bridge building is cited directly on the history of mathematics wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_mathematics

                     1. kolya 22 hr later

                        @zachleat @bw
                        I realize now that you're gonna do everything to make a clever remark, but watching the video I linked.

                        1. kolya 22 hr later

                           @zachleat @bw to sum it up for you: they built bridges a lot sturdier than they needed to be. and they re-used the same known-to-work arc design over and over. that's how they managed to build bridges that last to this day. there might be a lesson for web development in this, I don't know.

         5. Timothy Wolodzko 22 hr later

            @bw @zachleat „let’s pass 1% of cars through it and see if it collapses” 😬