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1. khm 59 min later

   this is the most compelling iphone advertisement I've ever seen
   
   1. Stylianos Gakis 2 hr later

      @khm @zachleat how so?

      1. khm 2 hr later

         Most of these features are aimed at driving 'engagement' or exfiltrating data off the user's device and into the vendor's analytics suite. Getting rid of them is the first thing I've seen from Apple in approximately thirty years which I would consider a pro-user change.
         
         Incidentally, the chart itself is kind of a gross psychological game, since "Windows" in fact means "Edge" which is of course just a badge-engineered Chrome rebrand. So it's really comparing Google's platform, Google's other platform, and Apple, but it's calling one "Windows" to make it seem like there's some kind of majority opinion from which Apple is deviating, when in fact it's only Google software that supports all these dark patterns.
         
         I'm not going to run out and buy a smartphone, or any other Apple hardware for that matter, but it's nice to know they're not entirely complicit in the ongoing personal-data gold-rush.
         
         CC: @zachleat@zachleat.com
         
         1. Stylianos Gakis 3 hr later

            @khm @zachleat I suppose that means you also have no apps installed on your device, and use the browser for everything then right? Because all these bullet points apps just get access to super easily, or as opt-in, as pwa should be able to as well

2. jerry 1 hr later

   @zachleat maybe web devs should stop giving Apple their money in protest.

   1. Zach Leatherman 1 hr later

      @jerryD maybe! I think there are plenty of levers that can be pulled, if folks are interested in taking steps.

      Firstly, this survey https://open-web-advocacy.org/blog/its-official-apple-kills-web-apps-in-the-eu/

3. Steve Lhomme 1 hr later

   @zachleat @jw don't forget to turn off automatic updates, or you might get screwed overnight

4. David Brown 2 hr later

   @zachleat in the “EU only” and “adhering to EU regulations”.

5. Zach Leatherman 3 hr later

   “It’s only in the EU” 😬 from folks that don’t live in the EU 😬😬😬

   1. Evan B🥥ehs 3 hr later

      @zachleat I wish I lived in the EU so I could hop on the sexy interoperability request form

   2. Cory 3 hr later

      @zachleat Glad to see folks are really invested in all of their users. Sigh.

   3. drhayes 3 hr later

      @zachleat "only" is doing *a lot* of heavy lifting in that sentence, geez.

      1. Zach Leatherman 3 hr later

         @drhayes it really is…

6. James Kerr 3 hr later

   @zachleat This is wild.

7. Konnor Rogers 3 hr later

   @zachleat soooo...all of it. Got it.

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9. CaveDave 5 hr later

   @zachleat considering not upgrading if that's the case

10. Tushar Chauhan 5 hr later

    @zachleat They are bringing about radical change again so that the world can be a better place. Time to put on our turtlenecks and pay some iRansom for mostly useless technology again.

11. joshhunt 5 hr later

    @zachleat nice, doesn't look like that much. Very little impact to me as a user or a developer 👍

12. nrk 9 hr later

    @zachleat this is why I use android

13. gravitos ​ 10 hr later

    @zachleat this might actually mean more native apps. less chromium in the background.

    or more electron

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14. dmitriid 10 hr later

    @zachleat

    So... Not much of the web at all then.

    Don't get me wrong: Apple are assholes.

    I find it sad that the whole issue revolves around one of the absolute worst things imaginable: web apps. I keep asking lamenting this one simple question and never get the answer:

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    1. dmitriid 10 hr later

       @zachleat

       Lack of which particular PWA features cause Twitter to lose scroll position, take up to a second to pop up an image when you click on it, have clunky janky scroll, break and reload the entire page if you scroll to far and too fast?

       (Same question for most other web apps)

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15. Christian Schwägerl 14 hr later

    @zachleat @Lambo Could you please explain to sb new to this subject why Apple would make this move and how severely this will affect users? It looks bad and senseless…

    1. Lauri Kotilainen 14 hr later

       @christianschwaegerl @zachleat @Lambo

       EU is forcing Apple to allow alternative browser engines and app stores on iOS, so Apple is retaliating by removing deeper OS integration of web apps with a lame excuse.

       1. Lambert Heller 14 hr later

          @rytmis @christianschwaegerl @zachleat See also https://infrequently.org/2024/02/home-screen-advantage/