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1. Random Geek Mastodon 6 min later

   @zachleat thanks for sharing the insight!

   This is disappointingly consistent with my recently downgraded expectations for Netlify.

   1. Zach Leatherman Mastodon 8 min later

      @randomgeek Appreciate you reading and sharing 🙌

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2. Ryuno-Ki Mastodon 24 min later

   @zachleat Regarding minimizing dependencies:

   Once I started writing more and more Vanilla JS I feel like there's only a handful of cases I currently would reach out to a library:

   - dates
   - i18n
   - parsing and generating files (CSV, XLS, PDF)
   - Fetch (to a degree, because of boilerplate with Bearer tokens and abortion as well as isomorphic code)
   - form and API validation (because I haven't figured out an elegant way here yet).

   Other than that I think it's easier done without a framework.

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4. Eric McCormick Mastodon 1 hr later

   @zachleat @eleventy well said and with just enough nuance.

   1. Zach Leatherman Mastodon 1 hr later

      @edm00se @eleventy I consider this GIF extremely high praise, thank you!

      1. Eric McCormick Mastodon 1 hr later

         @zachleat @eleventy I see you’re a man of good taste. Cheers.

5. Hidde Mastodon 1 hr later

   @zachleat appreciate you speaking out, mustn't have been easy. Thanks for sharing your independent take <3

   1. Zach Leatherman Mastodon 1 hr later

      @hdv appreciate you Hidde!

      1. Hidde Mastodon 1 hr later

         @zachleat hope there's chance for a beer in 2024 too!

         1. Manuel Matuzović Mastodon 1 hr later

            @hdv @zachleat lol

            1. Hidde Mastodon 1 hr later

               @matuzo @zachleat oh shit manuel didn't realise you would see this 😂

               1. Hidde Mastodon 1 hr later

                  @matuzo @zachleat (or I would have cc't you muwhaha)

            2. Zach Leatherman Mastodon 1 hr later

               @matuzo @hdv for the record I had a beer with Hidde in 2023 😅

               you are both welcome in Omaha, Nebraska any time

               1. Nicolas Hoizey Mastodon 6 hr later

                  @zachleat both @matuzo and @hdv have been speakers during last 2 years @ParisWeb, so maybe it’s your turn! 😅

                  (I would be really happy to share a drink with you, wherever it happens.)

               2. Stephanie Eckles Mastodon 21 hr later

                  @zachleat @matuzo @hdv and I will crash said gathering 🤓

                  1. Zach Leatherman Mastodon 21 hr later

                     @5t3ph @matuzo @hdv party at stephanie’s!!!

                     1. Ben Myers 🦖 Mastodon 21 hr later

                        @zachleat @5t3ph @matuzo @hdv I'd go to Nebraska for this

                        1. Stephanie Eckles Mastodon 21 hr later

                           @ben @zachleat @matuzo @hdv y'all are invited anytime 😊

                           1. Hidde Mastodon 21 hr later

                              @5t3ph @ben @zachleat @matuzo brb just looking up flights

                        2. Thomas Michael Semmler Mastodon 1 day later

                           @ben @5t3ph @hdv @zachleat @matuzo lol Same

6. Matt Biilmann Mastodon 1 hr later

   @zachleat The survey reflects of what our community responded.

   Next is the largest framework in usage, clearly reflected in the survey.

   But for the first time Next decreased in usage year over year (from 47% to 46%).

   Astro jumped from 11% to 18% with 87% responding they want to use it more.

   Eleventy dropped from 19% last year to 16% this year.

   None of this is an attack on anyone, just data from our survey.

   The rise of Astro is one of the most newsworthy bits of data that emerged.

   1. Zach Leatherman Mastodon 2 hr later

      @biilmann appreciate the response!

      I hope it’s understood that my issue is not with the data, it’s in how the data was presented—the solo chart was misleading.

7. Alex Mastodon 1 hr later

   @zachleat thanks for calling it like you see it. small language note: I think you meant "milieu" when you said "melee"

   1. Zach Leatherman Mastodon 1 hr later

      @akahn Appreciate it! I intended to say melee https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/melee but maybe I’m missing some diacritics

      1. Alex Mastodon 2 hr later

         @zachleat I understand what you mean now 😳

8. Wolfr Mastodon 2 hr later

   @zachleat good for calling this out and hope you don't get into trouble.

9. Thord D. Hedengren Mastodon 2 hr later

   @zachleat Glad you're not pulling any punches. There's something rotten going on here, not just with Netlify (who're probably scrambling) but with all these hyped-up frameworks. Stay the course.

   1. Zach Leatherman Mastodon 2 hr later

      @tdh Thank you!

10. Tim Severien Mastodon 3 hr later

    @zachleat I’m not angry, I’m disappointed

11. Tyler Sticka Mastodon 5 hr later

    @zachleat Love the positive relationship you have with “competing” tools. (I know that’s not the main point of this post, it just stood out to me while reading)

    1. Zach Leatherman Mastodon 5 hr later

       @tylersticka Appreciate the kind words Tyler! 🙌