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1. Zach Leatherman moments later

   Previous in this series: https://www.zachleat.com/twitter/1584995586918731776/

2. Alex Russell 17 min later

   But RSC..sorry, "Server Actions"!!!

   (Nevermind that `"use client"` is still viral and can't work without extraordinary, codebase-wide discipline that Next doesn't enforce)

   1. Zach Leatherman 18 min later

      @slightlyoff yeah the marketing of that feature is… interesting.

   2. Alex Russell 26 min later

      [ zooms in and squints ]

      But @zachleat, it's *only* (squints again) 91K on the wire!

      1. Alex Russell 30 min later

         @zachleat Is a 30+% tax rate high?

         Asking for an industry.

         https://infrequently.org/2022/12/performance-baseline-2023/

      2. Zach Leatherman 31 min later

         @slightlyoff it is only 52% of the transferred page weight now (instead of 86%) since they added a web font 😅

3. Cory 18 min later

   @zachleat We’ve managed to port inflation to the web

4. elle mundy 34 min later

   @zachleat but zach, we’re in the era of the terabyte. surely a computer could handle a few kilobytes here or there!!!1

   1. Zach Leatherman 35 min later

      @exchgr I want the computers to handle my kilobytes, not the ones someone else decided I needed 😅

      1. elle mundy 43 min later

         @zachleat lol i was being facetious, and of course as @slightlyoff is pointing out elsewhere in this thread, plenty of people run very low power devices

5. westbrook 1 hr later

   @zachleat If you make a bundler...you also have make stuff for it to bundle.

   Otherwise it'll go hangry.

   And, we all know what it's like when a bundler goes hangry!

   1. Zach Leatherman 16 hr later

      @westbrook hulk bundler angry! hulk bundler smash mid-tier android phone!!

6. Large Heydon Collider 10 hr later

   @zachleat "Tailwind included by default" is one of those 4 word horror stories.

   1. cuan_knaggs 10 hr later

      @heydon @zachleat oh how i miss the days when it was just bootstrap we had to complain about

   2. Lea Rosema 11 hr later

      @heydon @zachleat eww, quite heavyweight for a Hello World app.

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7. Lippe 13 hr later

   @zachleat But now you can very easily style your 'Hello world' example! /s

8. Avalynn Gunn 🇵🇸 18 hr later

   @zachleat Are they still bundling the pages router for the 404 page?

   1. Zach Leatherman 18 hr later

      @clarkgunn not sure—I didn’t test this!

      1. Avalynn Gunn 🇵🇸 1 day later

         @zachleat Ran webpack bundle analyzer. Their naming conventions have changed so I can't tell if router.js is the old pages router or a lib for app-router.js

         Screenshot bundle sizes are uncompressed.

9. Sam Strong 5 days later

   @zachleat Don’t frameworks usually get smaller as more efficient ways of doing things are discovered?

   1. Zach Leatherman 5 days later

      @SamStrong usually? Probably not. This one has some historical flavor https://www.zachleat.com/web/react-criticism/#september-2021