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2. benschwarz 6 min later

   @zachleat @eleventy I’ve not enacted any changes to tabs (always opted for spaces coming from Ruby), but turns out tabs are better for accessibility. For that reason alone it’s a reasonable and justified choice

   1. Zach Leatherman 11 min later

      @benschwarz @eleventy if only being reasonable and justified reduced the amount of opinions received 😅

      1. benschwarz 1 hr later

         @zachleat @eleventy let me guess—25 year old dudes who don’t have any contributions to the project

         1. Zach Leatherman 2 hr later

            @benschwarz @eleventy definitely not contributing, I suspect they likely aren’t even using the project 🫣

            1. benschwarz 5 hr later

               @zachleat @eleventy yep this is unsurprising. Glad you locked the thread and moved on 🫡

               1. Alex Russell 5 hr later

                  @benschwarz @zachleat @eleventy As someone that ran a JS "tabs over spaces" project (with a fated 4:1 ratio, don't at me) for most of a decade, allow me to celebrate your sparkling good taste and thoughtful "there is no way but the local standard" approach.

                  1. benschwarz 5 hr later

                     @slightlyoff @zachleat @eleventy imo every project should have defined editorconfig, code formatters, linting, etc etc, and PR checks to enforce it. No one should ever have to think about it beyond the initial setup

                     1. Alex Russell 6 hr later

                        @benschwarz @zachleat @eleventy 💯

                        All preference should melt into code contribution intention. Anything in the way of that (modulo IP needs) is a bug.

                  2. Zach Leatherman 16 hr later

                     @slightlyoff @benschwarz @eleventy 4:1 ratio, alex you can’t be out here admitting things like that

                     1. Alex Russell 19 hr later

                        @zachleat @benschwarz @eleventy Did I mention that I once wrote a JS library that used inline XML (DocBook) and custom XSLT-FO templates to generate documentation?

                        Or that I once wrote custom OpenLDAP schemas to build a web Auth system?

                        Or that I once used XSLT in Oracle 8i Java Stored Proceedures to do templating?

                        If you don't have regrets, you aren't trying hard enough.

                        1. Zach Leatherman 19 hr later

                           @slightlyoff @benschwarz @eleventy Don’t threaten me with a good time! I loved clientside XSLT in the IE heyday—it was so much speedier than DOM APIs.

                           1. Paul Everitt 2 days later

                              @zachleat @slightlyoff @benschwarz @eleventy It's not often I get to admit in public my infatuation with XSLT.

                        2. Stephen 19 hr later

                           @slightlyoff @zachleat @benschwarz @eleventy XSL-FO! Hashtag that's a name I've not heard in a long time dot gif!

                           I used Apache Cocoon to generate PDFs out of a database for publication back in the naughts.

                           And modxslt on top of an SVN repo for templating...

3. katerberg 3 hr later

   @zachleat @eleventy I just don’t get it. Every editor autofixes this for everyone. Who is even hurt by this change!?

4. haliphax 👾 4 hr later

   @zachleat @eleventy For folks who don't directly benefit, editors and source tools treat it all the same and abstract the difference away from you, anyway. People just need to be mad about something, I guess.

5. Conor C. Peterson 10 hr later

   @zachleat @eleventy

   Ooh! I didn't know tabs were more accessible than spaces!

   Furthermore, I realize I've been learning about website accessibility, but source code accessibility never even crossed my mind.. 😅

   Could someone explain to me, or point me to a write-up about, why tabs are more accessible and about source code accessibility in general? ❤️

   1. Eleventy 🎈 v3.1.0-beta.1 16 hr later

      @wemic @zachleat the original issue had some more context! https://github.com/11ty/eleventy/issues/3098

      1. Conor C. Peterson 18 hr later

         @eleventy @zachleat Excellent, thank you! :)