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1. vincent 19 min later

   @zachleat @zkat @ollicle I may already have a little project that uses KDL with 11ty.

   And I may need to clean it up and get it out in the world.

   1. Katerina Marchán 30 min later

      @papayaga @zachleat @ollicle 👀👀👀👀👀👀👀

      1. vincent 7 hr later

         @zkat @zachleat @ollicle ...and i'm back!

         here is JALD, a web dashboard/launcher i've been tinkering with off-and-on this year: https://github.com/vfalconi/jald

         i use KDL to define the content in each dashboard.

         and while we're at it, it doesn't include 11ty, but i also made a KDL-driven scraper for weather data: https://github.com/vfalconi/weather-mon

         straight up, slowly but surely, i'm putting KDL into every fun project of mine that has a config more complex than key-pair. love it.

2. tbeseda 19 min later

   @zachleat very rarely am I on board with another file doc lang, but I'm hopeful for KDL. TOML is the worst, YAML is all over the place. And I think JSON should be the default, but it can be too strict and not expressive enough. Ain't no way I’m writing XML as config.

3. CJ 2 hr later

   @zachleat @zkat @ollicle Any chance it ends up as a potential contender for replacing YAML front-matter in 11ty?

   1. Zach Leatherman 2 hr later

      @roguefoam @zkat @ollicle I believe it’d be pretty straightforward to change this today in any Eleventy project. Unlikely we’ll change the Eleventy-wide default though, that’d be too much of a breaking change

      https://www.11ty.dev/docs/data-frontmatter-customize/

      1. Katerina Marchán 2 hr later

         @zachleat @roguefoam @ollicle the biggest challenge for anyone trying to replace yaml with KDL is that KDL isn't a JSON-style data representation format. It's node-based, like XML, so you need to handle your data a little differently

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         2. Ollie Boermans December 31, 2024

            @zkat I got into this and discovered exactly what you meant here. Was indeed kinda awkward using an informal subset of KDL. JiK is the medicine!

            I revisited KDL in 11ty post 2.0.0 and can report progress:
            https://ollicle.com/2024/dec/31/11ty-kdl/

            @zachleat @roguefoam

            1. Katerina Marchán December 31, 2024

               @ollicle @zachleat @roguefoam this is really nice!!

               1. Katerina Marchán December 31, 2024

                  @ollicle @zachleat @roguefoam oh and, you should also be able to do: (array) tags foo instead of having to create children. Idk if that’s js parser handles that case though

                  1. Ollie Boermans December 31, 2024

                     @zkat ooh, I just tried it. `(array)` indeed works 👏
                     Thanks, I’ll make an update.
                     @zachleat @roguefoam

               2. Ollie Boermans December 31, 2024

                  @zkat@toot.catI Yay! I just want the nice things to be friends together. Like fan-fiction for open source.
                  @zachleat @roguefoam