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1. Zach Leatherman 2 min later

   I should write a blog post

   1. catraxx 3 min later

      @zachleat Do it, i dare you.

   2. Zach Leatherman 5 min later

      “React: Too big to fail”

      1. Amit Mittal 7 hr later

         @zachleat No one got fired for choosing React.

         1. Zach Leatherman 17 hr later

            @Akmittal EXACTLY

            *stares in IBM*

   3. Matthias Ott 14 min later

      @zachleat Yes

   4. David Schlaepfer 6 hr later

      @zachleat https://fediverse.zachleat.com/@zachleat/110220234925107067

   5. Karl Oscar Weber 8 hr later

      @zachleat write it!

   6. Erik Kroes ✅ 10 hr later

      @zachleat Should you though?

      1. Zach Leatherman 17 hr later

         @erikKroes yes

         1. Erik Kroes ✅ 5 days later

            @zachleat where is it?

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3. René Stalder 41 min later

   @zachleat We would use jQuery and it would still be less of mess I guess.

   1. Zach Leatherman 54 min later

      @renestalder more or less messy is debatable! Almost certainly faster!

      Now I’m imagining if jQuery had a JavaScript SSR evolution 👀

      1. René Stalder 1 hr later

         @zachleat Well maybe progressive enhancement would't have gone lost altogether, but we will never know. Somewhere in another meta universe there is probably a whole conference around a jQuerySelectorAll CSS-in-JS framework.

         1. Zach Leatherman 1 hr later

            @renestalder I just felt a chill

4. Matthew Mone 55 min later

   @zachleat can confirm. I live in this next era and its quite nice.

   1. Zach Leatherman 57 min later

      @matt Say more!

      1. Matthew Mone 4 hr later

         @zachleat I no good with words, but I've been using Lit for years and I have felt no lack. I'm probably not best for making comparisons though, because I've never used React or Vue or anything, but I cannot imagine what people are saying when they say frameworks "make it easy" because I have felt like I've been missing anything I needed over the years, and its much easier to upgrade an adopted library than figure how to move up a framework major version tho the last I used of those was angularjs

         1. Zach Leatherman 17 hr later

            @matt appreciate the elaboration! Don’t undervalue your experience!

5. James Garbutt 1 hr later

   @zachleat do you think any change will happen now that vercel pretty much funds both react and svelte? i guess the react craze/paid-advocacy may not change even then, though..

   1. Zach Leatherman 1 hr later

      @43081j whew, I have some thoughts but I think it’s probably better if I keep those to myself for now 😅

      1. James Garbutt 1 hr later

         @zachleat ha, sure we all have a lot of thoughts/opinions about that movement right now :D

6. Mike 1 hr later

   @zachleat Who says we're not using jQuery for everything 🤩

   1. Zach Leatherman 1 hr later

      @mikestreety hell yeah Mike

7. Stuart Langridge 2 hr later

   @zachleat we ARE still using jQuery for everything. It’s on 75% of websites. JQuery is just like WordPress: everybody uses it, except people with loud voices who think they define what the web is.

   1. Zach Leatherman 2 hr later

      @sil who you callin’ loud 😎

      (well said!)

      1. Stuart Langridge 2 hr later

         @zachleat obviously I myself love all the things that you build :) but most of the world and most of the web aren’t that enlightened. Jquery is really popular, except among people who don’t want it to be :)

         1. Zach Leatherman 2 hr later

            @sil of course this thread was not an indictment of jQuery, of which I was and am still a fan 🥰

            1. Stuart Langridge 2 hr later

               @zachleat of course, and you’re fully doing the right thing, and no accusation. I don’t use jq these days because browsers do it all natively, which was the point of jq from the beginning. You know this, of course, and I know you know it! But those following: you should know this too.

8. Francis 10 hr later

   @zachleat to be fair, jQuery lives on in the browser because we now have built-in JS objects that were originally from jQuery.

   1. Zach Leatherman 17 hr later

      @teacherbuknoy acquiescence to the platform was desirable by standards folks and the jQuery team—for whatever reason that does not appear to have happened with React