13 replies

1. Mark 2 min later

   @zachleat what’s going on over in Gatsby land. I’ve used entire operating systems with a smaller footprint.

   1. Zach Leatherman 9 min later

      @mdh I kinda knew about Gatsby—Remix was surprising though

2. Zach Leatherman 3 min later

   `npm install` time (in seconds)

   (forcing a clean cache, average of 5 runs)

   Notably, next.js seems to bypass `npm` by vendoring its dependencies (speedier install, without those pesky npm audits)

   1. Zach Leatherman 5 min later

      Hides `npm audit` reports during installation:

      Astro
      Gatsby
      Next (via vendoring)

      Shows `npm audit` reports during installation:

      Eleventy
      Nuxt
      Remix
      SvelteKit

      1. Zach Leatherman 7 min later

         Telemetry (anonymous data collection on usage) enabled by default (requires opt-out):

         Astro
         Next.js
         Gatsby
         Nuxt

         No known Telemetry or data collection:

         Eleventy
         Remix
         SvelteKit

         1. Zach Leatherman 10 min later

            This concludes the Site Generator Review—happy to receive feedback or recommendations on aspects of these tools you’d like to see reviewed for next time!

            1. chander 52 min later

               @zachleat Do number of possums in node_modules

            2. Zach Leatherman 4 hr later

               I should probably cross-post to the blog post that resulted from the above thread!

               https://fediverse.zachleat.com/@zachleat/109921346256931088

               1. Alex Russell 4 hr later

                  @zachleat would love to see wire sizes for the JS bundles (gzip, not brotli, as not everyone has that yet)

               2. Naiyer 11 hr later

                  @zachleat Automatic telemetry opt-in is one reason why I have a backlog issue to migrate away from Astro when 11ty launches the ESM support.

      2. Thomas Broyer 26 min later

         @zachleat How does one hide `npm audit` reports‽ That's a bit scary.

         (fwiw, I don't consider what Next is doing as "vendoring", they're apparently rather "bundling" everything into a single big JS file through https://github.com/vercel/ncc –not the same as bundledDependencies though–; result is the same though: remove dependencies from the package.json; do Astro and Gatsby do similar things?)

         1. Zach Leatherman 29 min later

            @tbroyer https://fediverse.zachleat.com/@zachleat/109916510211225665 has some more context.

            Ah fair point about the definition of vendoring!

3. Jason Garber 3 min later

   @zachleat gatsby is big-boned zach be kind