14 replies

1. patak 9 min later

   @zachleat @elk The current logic shows a large preview if the account has a header and the followers count is bigger than 250 or if it wasn't going to be grouped and it has more than 25 followers. I did a heuristic that looked ok but we haven't had time to think much about it. Maybe we should use a percentage of your own followers for example to show big cards to folks that are just starting using Mastodon. You can see the current condition here:
   https://github.com/elk-zone/elk/blob/1a7ae6f0efd6f9cdf5d961328a89574119efae7c/components/notification/NotificationPaginator.vue#L62

   1. meduz' 18 min later

      @patak @zachleat @elk Interesting. I would love to have neutrality here: I don’t care about anyone “popularity” that decides to follow me, and the UI as it is now is a bit disturbing for a notification feed. If there’s a setting to have neutrality, I would appreciate it.

      1. patak 20 min later

         @meduz @zachleat @elk Neutrality means showing every new follow as a small avatar only? Would you create an issue to discuss if that is the case? I'm a little bit worried about adding too many options though.

         1. meduz' 21 min later

            @patak @zachleat @elk Sure! Will do this evening. :teptep:

            1. Zach Leatherman 30 min later

               @meduz @patak @elk a nice middle ground might be anyone with an avatar photo and a header image! I like the opt-in based on how much work the user has put into their profile 🏆 (but would also agree that a min-follower count feels a tiny bit awkward)

               1. patak 1 hr later

                  @zachleat @meduz @elk Good points. I think if we show the big card expansion for everyone with an avatar and a header it may break your notifications when you do a good post. But I also think it is better if we find an heuristic that doesn't depend on follower count. Maybe we could show it if on top of avatar and header, it has a proper description, and includes at least a profile meta link?

                  1. Zach Leatherman 1 hr later

                     @patak @meduz @elk forgive my armchair design idea but I think it’s pretty close to great as-is. I’d just remove the follower count minimums.

                     Then for groups keep the only small avatars for everyone and sort the avatars in the group first by if they have avatar/cover image (and then maybe by follower count too?).

                     For singles/non-groups, only show large previews if a user has avatar/cover image.

                     (feel free to ignore me, too 😅—still loving it either way)

                     1. patak 4 hr later

                        @zachleat @meduz @elk I think we should still show some big cards for grouped notifications. There are a lot of times when people follow you in groups because of a post was shared a lot. Let's try a new algorithm for grouping that stills uses the followers count but removes the minimum limit and see how it works.

                        Elk will now order each group according to who has a header first (giving priority to folks that did setup their account), and who has more followers second. Then it shows the first one of the group (if it has a header) as a big card, no matter how many followers it has. If only one remains and it has a header, it is also expanded as a big card. If not, the remaining are shown as a group of avatars in a single line.

                        https://github.com/elk-zone/elk/pull/1408

                        You can switch to Elks' canary release and see how it works for you before it hits the alpha channel at https://main.elk.zone

                        1. Zach Leatherman 4 hr later

                           @patak @meduz @elk (amazing as always, thank you!)

                           1. meduz' 5 hr later

                              @zachleat @patak @elk Posted a new issue (not for the grouping, but for the notification design in itself): https://github.com/elk-zone/elk/issues/1409

                              Made some proposals, my favorite being this one by only changing the `<div>` wrapping the image:

                        2. Private reply 6 hr later
   2. Zach Leatherman 31 min later

      @patak @elk appreciate the explanation, thank you!

2. JennEd501 34 min later

   @zachleat @elk My account is set so that followers must be approved, and I get the small previews for follower requests in notifications. Once I approve a follower, I get the large preview in notifications. (I have to use tusky to approve followers for now, I don't see that feature on elk, yet.)
   There has been no correlation to follower count in my case.

   1. Zach Leatherman 56 min later

      @jenned @elk this reply has the full details: https://fediverse.zachleat.com/@patak@webtoo.ls/109739576115025739