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1. Zach Leatherman 8 min later

   You should learn HTML and code your own website.

   1. Mike Aparicio 44 min later

      Hey man, AI's already coming for my job, I don't need normies doing it too! 😅

      1. Zach Leatherman 48 min later

         everybody wants to build and I’ll be happy to do maintenance (for a fee)

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   3. Michael G 2 days later

      😅 coding isn’t much of a problem. But if owning contains hosting it, this is astoundingly complex.
      I should acctually simply be a feature of your internet router defaulting to your landlines or mobile phone number. A simple box like fax machine. Sadly the web went quite a different route.

      1. Zach Leatherman 2 days later

         love this perspective. Super curious if we can get there some day

         1. Michael G 3 days later

            Well, up and downstream would have to at least be comparable for private lines as well. And if not a fixed IP adress is possible (still wondering why we keep this historic restriction up) dyn DNS and a server at home needs to become as simple as connecting a fax or answering machine used t be.

2. Joshua Ward | ✝️ | NO AI | Rust! | Simple is better 4 hr later

   Websites are just downloading an app every time you want to use it;

   SaaS but worse

3. Ana Tudor 1 day later

   The thing that rich people in tech cannot get: owning a website is more expensive than coding... an app. Or anything for that matter.

   Sincerele, someone who could never afford to own a website and likely never will.

   1. Zach Leatherman 2 days later

      How are you defining ownership? I think a domain name should be the only requirement for ownership (though some would classify it as renting)

      1. Henri Helvetica 🧑🏾‍🚀🇭🇹 2 days later

         This whole topic is fascinating. Following.

      2. Konnor Rogers 2 days later

         Is it renting? Or is it more like a condo?

         1. Zach Leatherman 2 days later

            I have a timeshare you might be interested in

      3. Ana Tudor 2 days later

         That's completely irrelevant. The only thing it matters is that it costs money. Regularly. And recurrent expenses are to be avoided at all costs when you don't have much of a recurrent income.

         1. Zach Leatherman 2 days later

            That’s fair. I think there is a spectrum of “ownership” — your github.io web site is *yours* (and hopefully doesn’t have a recurring cost to you). But certainly you have *more* ownership if you pay $10 a year for your domain name and build some domain name equity on it. $10/yr definitely adds up

         2. Jack 2 days later

            Last I knew it costs money to be a developer who can release to the app stores.

            - Apple charges $99 a year
            - Google charges a one time $25 fee
            (Might've changed)

            Netlify allows static site deployment to a Netlify subdomain for free.

            Some domains can be cheap. ~$3 per year.

            1. Cthos 2 days later

               You can (for now) distribute Android apps for free, but Google is trying its darndest to stop that practice (by requiring every developer to register and create restrictions on side loading)

            2. Ana Tudor 2 days later

               As a Linux user who has never owned a smartphone, I think of something different when I see the word app...

               1. Jack 2 days later

                  Oh... good point. Didn't know you didn't have a smart phone and only used Linux. What distro?

            3. Álvaro Montoro 2 days later

               The reason why I stopped publishing apps on iOS. You need to monetize or you are losing money. For an indie developer, it's not worth it. I only added ads to my apps to try to overcome that, and it only made things worse, so I ended up removing the apps from Apple Store.

               1. Cthos 2 days later

                  The reason I don't distribute through the Play store is because they immediately took the app down the first time I tried and then threatened to ban my google account with no review or appeal. So. *shrug*

                  1. Álvaro Montoro 2 days later

                     😱

                     I told you publishing *that* type of app was a bad idea! 😂

                     1. Álvaro Montoro 2 days later

                        Jokes aside, what was the app about? They've never given me a hard time, but my apps are small games that barely do anything... and still, Apple deny them a couple of times for petty reasons (one was mentioned android in the About section, they are afraid fo the 🤖)

                        1. Cthos 2 days later

                           gw2.cthonic.app

                           This thing. The long story short is I used the stylized 2 in the logo, which they said was impersonation (the community terms of use allows it, though) so I fixed that and tried again but they weren't having it, which is when the threat of banning occurred.

                           1. Cthos 2 days later

                              Apple happily let me distribute it for years, but I haven't done anything with it in a long time so I turned off distribution a while ago (and got sick of answering "are you exporting encryption")

      4. Álvaro Montoro 2 days later

         +hosting.

         I've gone around it by publishing "static sites" using GitHub pages, but I wouldn't be able to put my PHP/SQL databases projects there. And hosting prices have skyrocketed (e.g. 8 years ago, I got a 10 year hosting for less than $200 total, nowadays with that money you get 12-18 months.)

         1. Zach Leatherman 2 days later

            $200 a year definitely feels pricey for a small project!

   2. Cthos 2 days later

      But the thing Adam is responding to (that Zach is quote boosting) is the GenAI companies claiming everyone will just use an LLM to make an app. An LLM which requires a subscription to a GenAI company. Which is currently being subsidized by a factor of at least 10.

   3. JauntyWunderKind 2 days later

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4. Passle ☭ 2 days later

   Comrade zach 🫡